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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Apr 12, 2009 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

"Dose the non-believers"? I don't know you personally or if you really meant it, but these statements serve only to magnify the stigma attached to US!!!!!! I have personally experienced the attitude that we're all dirt bag, hippy scum posers on DRUGS, and we all here know it's NOT TRUE! It takes intelligence, patience, and/or a HEART that beats for MUSIC to truly appreciate what these people (The GD, Dead, et. al.) have given us!
I ripped the Dead's performance, but from my perspective, the magic is not there.
To each his/her own of course but I think it's reckless to perpetuate the negative stereotype and belief that one needs drugs to appreciate the music!
Now go back to your listening....
http://www.archive.org/details/gd88-07-29.aud.hayum.5395.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: high flow Date: Apr 12, 2009 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Dude, I'm so wasted right now. I could swear I saw a purple rabbit this morn.

I think I'll cover my stench in patchouli and go twirl in the dust.

Enjoy the ganja brownies, I hope you get your miracle.

Some call these negative stereotypes, I call them great memories.

WWD would never maliciously dose another.

Peace.(Can I say THAT without perpetuating the myth?)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Apr 12, 2009 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

WWD is the greatest...and not anybody's stereotype. More like a unique individual who adds a lot to this Forum.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Apr 12, 2009 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

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get a permit - be legit

USA Congressional Hearings — The GD Committee - 1985
"Marijuana is not addictive"
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Poster: veblen Date: Apr 12, 2009 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

well seeing that group say anything about "addiction" had me wondering:

"But isn't marijuana addictive?
Substantial research exists regarding marijuana and addiction. While the scientific community has yet to achieve full consensus on this matter, the majority of epidemiological and animal data demonstrate that the reinforcing properties of marijuana in humans is low in comparison to other drugs of abuse, including alcohol and nicotine. According to the U.S. Institute of Medicine (IOM), fewer than one in 10 marijuana smokers become regular users of the drug, and most voluntary cease their use after 34 years of age. By comparison, 15 percent of alcohol consumers and 32 percent of tobacco smokers exhibit symptoms of drug dependence.

According to the IOM, observable cannabis withdrawal symptoms are rare and have only been identified under unique patient settings. These remain limited to adolescents in treatment facilities for substance abuse problems, and in a research setting where subjects were given marijuana or THC daily. Compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal, marijuana-related withdrawal symptoms are mild and subtle. Symptoms may include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation and sleep disruption. However, for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers, these symptoms are not severe enough to re-initiate their use of cannabis."
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3418

so I guess I can keep eating this fudge in front of me...:-)

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Apr 12, 2009 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Here ya go Monte.

http://ia301136.us.archive.org/2/items/ssuckers2004-10-01.shnf/ssuckers2004-10-01d1t18_vbr.mp3

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Apr 12, 2009 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

VG, Bob

Panama Red - by NRPS in 1977

The Bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began

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Poster: deyzof49 Date: Apr 12, 2009 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

great tune. thanks

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Apr 12, 2009 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Smoke, Shit, and Fuck — by John Hartford
jh70-08-29t17.mp3 (vbr)
Philly Folk Festival — Aug 29, 1970

John Hartford's most famous cover tune:
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Steam Powered Aereo-plain, 7:05

1st Marin County Bluegrass Fest, April 28, 1974

w/ Vassar Clements, Norman Blake, Tut Taylor

John's intro: "It goes about 35 or 40 mph thru the air. It's real laid back, and it's powered by steam. People are laying out on the wing in lawn chairs smokin' dope and waving at the people down in the street."

Here's a newly seeded torrent at eTree - John Hartford collection - 1970 to 1990: 16 cherry-picked shows
info page
torrent file



This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2009-04-12 20:30:34

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Poster: spacedface Date: Apr 12, 2009 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

"Smoke, Shit, and Fuck"

Sorry -- not going to force matters -- that's just not enough, esp as you age.

It might be fine for some but most people are going to get into trouble with idol hands. Adding just music is a temporary fix, as you can easily see with musicians themselves.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 12, 2009 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Joke, man...it's a joke. If you've been attention, WWD is one of the most laid back, gentle sorts around these parts. The notion that he would ever dose someone against their will is absurd.

However, joking about stereo types, including drug use and free sex, is just part of what we do here...most all are responsible members of society at one level or another (witness the amazing participation in political, economical and religious threads), parents trying their best even, so I wouldn't worry too much about WWD perpetuating any negative stereotypes.

Now, Dire...well, that's a different story. He's a complete negative stereo type in and of himself...and it usually does just involve himself, and perhaps a farm yard animal or two, but that would just be another example of me furthering a stereotype about IQ level and animal attraction.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Apr 12, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

According to Max Chorak, Jer said, "I can envisage a new world in which society has a way for there to be music, whose function is to get you high, that's the sort of thing we're hammering at. To get really high is to forget yourself and to forget yourself is to see everything else; and to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. That's why I think it's important to get high."

Hippie Temptation - 1967 film clip

Jerry Garcia: What we're thinking about is a peaceful planet. We're not thinking of anything else. We're not thinking about any kind of power. We're not thinking about any of those kinds of struggles. We're not thinking about revolution or war or any of that. That's not what we want. Nobody wants to get hurt. Nobody wants to hurt anybody. We would all like to be able to live an uncluttered life, a simple life, a good life and think about moving the whole human race ahead a step.

Phil Lesh: I think that personally, the more people that turn on, the better world it's gonna be.

Bob Weir: You can point out the example that the people that live in the community and play around with dope and stuff like that - they don't have wars, you know. And they don't have a lot of the problems that alot of society has.

Phil Lesh: In essence, the scene has grown up with us, and we have grown up with the scene. We've all grown up together.

PBS Documentary - American Experience series
Summer of Love
Chapter 3

Joel Selvin: The LSD use was a fundamental building block in a new way of thinking in a new community.

Why do we have war? What is the power of love? Who is God and why is he here and what has he done for me lately anyway? I mean, these were questions that were being debated by young people who were just growing into their bodies and their minds and their selves.

You were going through a door, and you wanted to be in the rooms on the other side of that door. You wanted to know what was there and you wanted to take that knowledge back with you.

Hey, you know, we're trying to learn to live better, to think better, to be better human beings and be a better race, be a better civilization and to make this whole thing work.

Grateful Dead Member 2 (archival): And one of the ways of achieving that being is through drugs. I think personally, the more people that turn on, the better world it's going to be.

Joel Selvin: The music changed just immediately. I cannot explain to you what it's like to be in a crowd of 5,000 people on LSD with The Grateful Dead, also on LSD, leading the crowd through a series of improvisations. Before that, rock and roll songs were three minutes, period, paragraph, we're out of here.

bottom line

never listen to Dark Star

Dark Star (d3t01) - gd72-08-27 Veneta - sucks

horrible, horrible - Dark Star
early show - The Stanley Theatre - 02/07/69

worst sound I ever heard
Dark Star - RFK Stadium - 6/10/73

GD 1968 scares me

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Apr 12, 2009 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Thanks, Monte. That's the Dead I grew up with, and the things I grew up doing, and wondering, and what I still hear 40 years later through the speakers. It's not about the music business or about amusement. It's about transcendence.

Mickey once said, “We’re playing music, but that’s not all we’re doing. We’re doing something else besides entertaining. People come to be changed, and we change ‘em.” Or, as Jerry put it, “Magic is what we do. Music is how we do it.”

If psychedelics are too intense, try meditation, prayer, or whatever else brings insight, compassion and wisdom into your life. And listen to the Dead a lot. :-)

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Apr 13, 2009 2:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hey Whirlwind... (and all)

Well said, Dhamma.